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Honeywell, Derby, 2010

“Honeywell” burglar alarm, Derby • Another big name, Honeywell is an American technology giant founded in 1906. This looks like it’s from around the 1980s, after their period of branding bell boxes as Honeywell Shield; and though Honeywell are still around, it’s not a name you see on burglar alarms any more. • Spotted: Town centre, Derby, Derbyshire, England, 2010 • Politics: In the Labour constituency of Derby South

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  1. Are the Friedland 6″ under dome bell, those grey bells that are sometimes used for fire alarms? Or are they they small bells commonly used for door bells? Google images are throwing more images of the latter – though think it’s more likely to be the bigger bell in the Honeywell.. Perhaps someone can confirm.

    • Hi. 6″ underdone bells were and are manufactured by a number if firms including Friedland and Tann. The Friedland do make door bells and are very popular company. The 6″ underdome bell was the most popular bell used in burglar alarms. The ones used in intruder alarms were 6 to 12 volt DC operating and a similar, coloured red and operating at 24 volts are used for fire alarms. The Friedland bell made a nice ring. Group 4 Securitas and Modern Alarms (in the long orange cheese wedge bell box) used Tan bells. I think they were a lot cheaper. The industry moved away from bells as bells draw a lot more current than electronic sounders, can sometimes stick and are bigger and require a larger box to house them.

      • Thanks – it will seem silly to you guys but I always wondered why bells went out of favour. I just assumed they were seen as old-fashioned in this electronic age. Interesting to hear the practical reasons.

      • It was always believed that because the noise of the bell came out through the vents that a burglar would squirt foam in via the vents and muffle the noise. Where as the sound from electronic sounders came out the back which was supposedly harder to foam as it would just run down and out at the bottom. It wasn’t unusual in the 70s to go to a site that had been attempted and find all the dummy boxes foamed as well.

      • Thanks for your response Andy, I think I associate the ringing sound more with burglar alarms then the modern sound. I have another question, over the past few days we been looking at the h- type boxes, this Honeywell being the more common/usual type. The ones shown before like the col alarm c- type and the group 4 h-type are rounded where the grills are. In the Nottingham area, acorn alarms and Wilson alarms used a much more square variation that looked like a brick. My point being there are about 4 different types of h/c type boxes. Was this part of a buying group? Or did CQR customly make them up for the company?

        • A number of firms use to make bell boxes, although CQR appeared to have the market edge when the industry moved away from metal bell boxes. A firm, now long gone called Kerland Engineering used to make a number of the metal bell boxes. The names of the firms that made the Polycarbonate bell boxes now escapes me, but one of them was Bridgend Plastics who were later acquired by alarm distributor ATH, who themselves were purchased by Gardiner Security. Gardiner Technology, now called Risco Group also purchased a plastics company that made bell boxes. There were a few others. In London most firms favoured the square S Type bell box with outer London firms using C or H Type. Back in the day we all used to have to purchase the components ourselves and assemble them. The H & C Type boxes were also manufactured in steel. When the industry moved over to plastic two types were used, Polycarbonate, which were used for the live bell boxes and polypropylene, which were cheaper and used for dummy bell boxes. You could always tell the difference as the polycarb bell boxes had a tag at the rear of the bottom. The Polycarb boxes were accepted by BS4737 as being equivalent as steel, but the Polypropylene were not. The long establish or big firms always have and continue to have manufactured their own bell box. In fact, CQR have approached US about designing our OWN bell box.

          • In the 70s there was Scott Security in Caterham Surrey who also supplied various alarm equipment including metal bells, taken over by Lander Alarms in 82. In 1985 when we started Westec Security we would only use metal boxes, not much choice on the market then, used Munford & White ES1 (Vici it will be hard to find one of these) until we changed to the Delta box shape. M & W became Menvier then Tunstall. Don’t forget The popular Radiovisor box used by Solar, Banhams, CIA, Lockstock to name a few.

            • There are still a few Westec Security ES1 sounders with strobes on the left of the logo around the Portobello Road area. A little white ago I sent Vici a data sheet about the Radio Visor Bell Box (ie,. a Banham Brochure with it in). Lockstock…wow a name from the past. I have never heard of Scott Security, but hey, Im from North West London. Im not sure who made the CIA slim line bell box…guess I could simply ask Steve Kimber.

              • When CIA started they used Radiovisor bell boxes, control panels and beams like a lot of companies did then, in the late 60s & early 70s they were very popular, I’m sure AFA used their beams, I don’t know when CIA changed to the similar slim design box, yes Steve would know.

                • Yes, AFA did use Radiovisor Beams. I am aware that many moons ago Banhams also used Radiovisor Monive Panels – stupidly, in our early days I took over a few of them. I was clueless. They were a great firm Radiovisor. I think they still exist as RV Limited, but don’t do the product range the used to. When I worked for Chubb Alarm Radiovisor made the Chubb Roller Shutter Contacts with the Chubb ‘C’ moulded on the end. I have a Banhams branded RAviovisor Monive panel in the office (unless someone has chucked it)

                  • After Mr Ives died the company gradually went down hill over a number of years, ended up just makiing Towers with beams inside then sold to Geoquipa few years ago.

                    • It’s great to see the rebirth of Radiovisor. 1970 at Solar we used their panels, bells etc, then in 1976 Enright Security used their control panels, beams etc right up till we sold to Landers in 82. At Westec we used their beams even in 2000 just before we sold we fitted a large 20 tower system around a famous celebrities house, that’s a 30 year working partnership with the company, wish them all the best.

                  • I had a wooden Monive panel, it was pre BS 4737 1971. I used to display it in my office and amaze the engineers at it’s simplicity & of course made of wood. When I retired to Menorca along with numerous parts of my history I threw it away, no lofts in Spanish villas to store junk.

          • Many thanks for your explanation Andy, I often wondered why the dummy’s would look so tired way before the real one. And have noticed different areas have their favourite boxes. London they liked the metal s types and eurobells, where as Birmingham area would use that silver one – eg. bat alarms, status alarm, Ck and more. What kind of box do you think you will get them to design? Would you get the AAI letters so illuminated in the dark?

            • We are in very early discussions with CQR. Not sure how it will pan out. The box would be exclusive to us. It would be a triangle of sorts. We WOULD NOT have our bell box logo lit up at night. I wouldn’t have it on my house, and therefore don’t see why anyone else should have it on there’s – personal choice. In addition, the age of problem of wanting decoy sounders and live sounders would crop up.

  2. Honeywell produced this bell box in this version and a horizontal shape. Have taken a few of these down over the years. They had a Friedland 6″ under dome bell, SAB Mod with battery and front and rear tamper switch. My business partner worked for Shield Protection (then Honeywell Shield for many years. One of the original owners, Mike Charlane is still active in the industry.

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